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Thanks to Sonic for this link to an amazing article on the presidential signatures featured in both Razor Oval Office and in UD's signs of history sets. We all know that Presidential signatures can come from hundreds of non-genuine sources, but you would think that the companies would be more careful than the average joe. Obviously they did not take the level of care we should expect, and if you paid $2500 for a Razor pack authenticated by Beckett and JSA, and got one of these cards, I would be livid.
For all the transparency that Brian Grey may feign, the subject of this article obviously was shunned by both him and also UD's upper management. That only further cements the ideas about Razor, and also UD.
We just spoke about how Card Sharks has become immediately relevant once again, and this is one of those things that make it so.
Please, check it out.
EDIT: More info from Card Informant? Who knows what is up now.
This Razor investigation has been going on for some time. What's funny is that a user on FCB named 'Therion' predicted all these things and he was flamed to hell for it. Typical.
ReplyDeleteAt least Brian is willing to work with anyone who has a questionable signature. I hope this doesn't taint his baseball products, as they appear to have some potential.
Yeah, but how long would that process take? I gotta expect its going to take weeks, if not months.
ReplyDeleteWith a 2500 dollar per pack product, there is no excuse.
Let's face facts, what exactly are the guarantee's of authenticity by PSA, BGS, Upper Deck, Razor etc really worth? Not a lot I suspect.
ReplyDeleteThe sad reality is that we need someone to put these guarantee's of authenticity up for proper scrutiny by taking PSA, BGS, Upper Deck, Razor etc to the courts when they are found not to be authentic. If the matter get's settled against them in a sizeable way, then we may see them be more accountable for the pronmises they make.
Given the amount of money these Razor Presidential signtaures cost per pack and are selling for individually now, I wouldn't be surprised if Razor is taken to court over the fake sigbnatures on their "cards" (I use this term is a very loose manner). And I say bring it on.
Wow, that is some site. I couldn't stop reading. I had no idea that this was such a scam.
ReplyDeleteI'm with Gellman. There is no excuse when you are charging that much for a pack.
I agree, the site has me enthralled. Love it.
ReplyDeleteSo, if the "big sigs" are fake, why not the "little guys" as well? Sorry, but this throws doubt into every sig card offered up by either company. This may finally be the end of "MOJO" - we can only hope.
ReplyDeleteThank you so much for informing me that such a site exists.
ReplyDeleteI have autographs of players I want to get authenticated for myself, where do people go now days to get stuff authenticated by a company in good stanging?
Incredible. I can't believe that they're pretty much selling printed sigs for that much money. Maybe they'll get a bailout too for being incompetent like the bankers.
This is EXACTLY what happened with the ratings agencies on Wall St when they rated the mortgage bonds AAA without really investigating them. They all cratered on the secondary market.
ReplyDeleteI bought a 500 HR club signed baseball about a year ago. It had 11 sigs on it with mantle and ted williams right on the sweet spot. I made the guy guarantee it to pass authentication. He agreed but claimed that PSA/DNA wasn't very reliable and sent me a site detailing some of their mistakes. One of the mistakes went to court and this site, http://www.paasaa.com/, held up in court as proving PSA/DNA wrong. So i used that site and the ball came back as not authentic. The guys was pretty mad that I didn't use PSA/DNA. Seemed pretty weird considering he told me not to use them. But anyway, the site actually shows you the credentials of who is looking at your stuff. There seems to be a little more accountability than PSA, who could have little kids in Thailand looking at it for all we know.
ReplyDeleteI appreciate all of you covering this. Without a credible news source you are what people like me rely on. This is truly sad stuff. I knew JSA and PSA never were reliable (wouldn't authenticate one of my IP's and authenticated a Jordan from a friend that we found out was faked), but it still sucks to see this crap on this level.
ReplyDeleteI want to know what makes this guy (that wrote the article) so true that what he is saying is just taken at face value as fact. Why would anyone trust any frequently faked autograph that they didn't see signed personally?
ReplyDeleteSome of you know of me, and know my connections to the company in question here. As a guy who was talking to razor while they were packing out this product, and has insight into the way they obtained these signatures, everything they put in came with authentication. What exactly do you guys want them to do to verify that these signatures are real?
I'll tell you what I would like to see, Gilmore--if they cannot be authenticated by at least three parties, do not include them. Plain and simple. If that means Presidential Razor had 80 packs or zero, doesn't matter. It's better for the hobby not to taint it with stories like these.
ReplyDeletejesus gilmore now you are going to blogs to defend them?
ReplyDeleteWhy wouldn't he? He has his head so far up Razor's arse, that BG has two heads.
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